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Posted 11/12/2011
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can you use earwax with the same formula?

Posted 11/16/2011
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@THC Scientific - I have been using the cotton filled cartos for a while now and am trying to figure out how to use the tank style cartridges as an alternative since a little burning of the cotton seems inevitable with the cartos. I do not own the omicron yet as I wanted to try this out first with the eGo vape pen I have.

I am using BHO and I have some vegetable glycerin. I will be mixing at a 3:1 ratio of VG to BHO extract. My question is, will this mixture be thin enough to use in the tank style cartridges or will I need to thin even more? Also, since there is no cotton to prevent the mixture from seperating, does this mean that as the mixture cools inside the tank cartridge it will separate? Or will it stay mixed? I've thought about adding some flavoring to thin it more or perhaps some ethanol (althogh I am under the impression that you have to let the ethanol burn off which would not really thin it at all). Will the ethanol or flavoring help it to stay mixed or will it separate into three different layers once it begins cooling?

Your help is much appreciated. I have been searching the Internet for quite some time now and no one seems to want to give away there secret formula for the e-juice mixture. It's very frustrating and you seem to be the first person that is giving this information away so for that I thank you.

-Cory

Posted 11/17/2011
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Cory- Tank cartridges are useless in this application because the solution will seperate immediately after cooling and there is no way to get around this with BHO and glycerin. The cotton/sponge cartridge is pretty much the only way to go in this case.

Posted 11/17/2011
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Cory as Orion stated that it would separate when it is cold. But there is a way around this.


Here is a formula for you to enjoy. Depending on the thank system. It will work with the ego tank, and some mod tanks.


1 gram Extract.
1 gram Highly refined hemp oil. (yellow kind not the green kind)
3-5 drops of flavoring that is oil based. Some use aromatherapy oils for the taste. We used blueberry, strawberry, and other oil based flavors that where made for consumption.

Now if you can tolerate the hemp oil taste then do not use the flavoring.

Depending on your tank system a ego tank you might want to use less.


Another formula you can try is this.


1 gram of extract oil

half gram of aromatherapy oil made for vaporizers, you need to make sure you know what you are doing as some oils are not made for consumption and are harmful.

Once again depends on how liquid you want it to be, you can adjust as you please.

Remember oils and vg/pg do not mix.

Posted 11/17/2011
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Or you guys can just buy a OMICRON & stop dealing with bs, it will solve all your problems.....

Posted 11/17/2011
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hahaha Agreed, but at the same time if i could refill my GStick i would love to have access to it for inside restraunts and train ect, places where i can get cramped up badly and would be quite uncomfortable blowin my Omicron vapor out into, tho im sure this hemp oil mixture prob smells quite a bit more heh..

Posted 11/17/2011
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Seriously. When some people are having problems filling omicrons with regular oil, how many people are gonna waste hashboil trying to heat and mix it in vegetable glycerin, because they don't mix, like THC said and I can definitely confirm this as I have wasted more oil than I want to talk about when my friend had his ivapor and I had my 510 e cig. Your just gonna make a mess with hash oil and vegetable glycerin, which is the same consistency of lube, it's annoying.

Posted 11/17/2011
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VG really isn't the way to go if you're trying to make your own cartos. PG mixes way better than VG in this application and although they both end up hardening after cooling, at least the PG remains for the most part soluble with hash oil compared to VG. I find the best results occur when using two parts PG and one part VG. In fact the only reason I use VG at all is to increase the vapor as this can be appealing to most people.

Posted 11/17/2011
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Why mix your oil with anything? I would just Vape PG/VG if I wanted to blow out clouds. The point of these devices is to medicate, not see who can make a cart that tastes the best while producing a huge cloud.

Posted 11/17/2011
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The desired product is "carried" into the lungs on the backs of vaporized PG/VG in the case of nicotine and asthma medication. The question of why PG/VG isn't necessary in the Omicron design could be explained by the fact I believe the hash is actually geting burned in the Omicron and not vaporized. I feel (and could be wrong), what's going on inside the Omicron carto is not alot different than applying a soldering iron to a goblet of hash.

Posted 11/17/2011
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thought the PG/VG was just to get it spread evenly onto the cotton? didnt think it had anything to do with the way it smoked other than yea, one causes more throat feeling while other causes more lung feeling and one produces more vapor, but again thats all just because you need it to get into the cotton while the Omicron doesnt use cotton so you dont need a carrier product....

do you really consider putting a soldering iron to a ball of hash much different than super heating a TI nail and dropping a dab onto it? tho i agree were basically smoking more so than vaporizing, or atleast 50/50 in this case heh, and i believe i can tell the difference in when im burning it by taste...

i havent taken a cart apart after using yet, so i dont know if theres an ash buildup or anything either, but im very curious whats happening to all the leftover material in the Omicron Carts....

Posted 11/17/2011
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If the heating element is ceramic, which I think it is in the Omicron, it is similar to a soldering iron, because most have a ceramic heating element. You can't put a mouthpiece and a gram of hash oil in a soldering iron and carry it around though. If you want to compare it to anything, titanium kicks everything's ass, you just can't take that anywhere.

Posted 11/17/2011
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Ober- Need to keep in mind this technology was designed for the delivery of nicotine into the lungs. PG has been used in inhaler devices for many years and was proven to be very effective once vaporized to be a "carrier agent" to deliver nicotine into the lungs in this recent design. VG is also effective and either can used in this fashion. Comparing the two, VG produces much bigger vapor and although many claim VG is safer, some people are actually allergic to VG.

Posted 11/18/2011
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The purpose of the cotton is to keep the liquid suspended in the cartridge at a point where it can be properly vaporized by the heating element. Without the cotton the liquid would not only leak out the bottom but would produce inconsistent hits. The new tank designs are proving a way around this though. In the case of Omicron and hash oil, the cotton had to be removed from the equation because the heating elements need direct contact with the hash to work. The downside of course is leakage if the viscosity becomes too thin as I see some can attest to.

Posted 11/18/2011
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Thanks Orion and THC Scientific! So will these recipes work for the cotton filled cartomizers as well or should I stick to the VG for cartomizers? Also, is a 1:1 mix of BHO to VG fine to use in the cotton cartomizers or will that clog them?

-Cory

Posted 11/18/2011
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what you could do is get a tank/atomizer system and only use a few drops (4-6 )per gram of oil, just to make it little bit runny make sure it fully dissolves in the oil heat it to 120f and mix it for a few minutes.

The reason is, the tank system does not work that great with thick oils, this will make the oil a little bit runny and allow the wick to soak it up.

Posted 11/18/2011
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Breh, so when you mix the tincture with water on a hot plate......do you just put drops on the hot plate itself? Or do I use a shot glass? I noticed in some videos where people use a shot glass on a hot plate? Anybody? Thanks in advance

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I think a small glass vial works best. With a cap on you can shake up the mixture once it is heated because at that point the oil and the VG will mix well together. Gotta get it into the carto right away though. In a matter of one or two minutes it will separate again.

Posted 11/18/2011
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Here is what i would do, take a plastic syringe, get it ready, add the ingredients, put it on a hot plat at 140F let it heat up, mix it well and inject it into the cartomizers,


The reason i would do it like this is because if it is in a glass jar once you transfer it into a dropper it will cool down, this way the syringe is hot and ready to load.

Posted 11/18/2011
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Where can I get flavor oils with out the nicotine for the ecig??? Thanks

Posted 11/18/2011
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@Thc can those same oils that they want to use be mixed with our wax/co2/bho's and used in the omicron or would it seperate once cooled or possibly not work cause of some other reason? curious if its possible to flavor some omircron carts for those who "dont like smoking" to make it a little more to their liking

Thanks..

Posted 11/18/2011
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I don't know anyone who "don't like smoking"
If you need to flavor your hash oil to tolerate it,
Your oil tastes bad, it was made wrong, or
Made from the wrong stuff.

Posted 11/18/2011
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Ober we have not tried any flavoring with the self fill cartridges, as there was no need to have a carrier oil. Now doesnt mean we cant do it, just means no guarantees its going to work.

I think if we have real thick oils that are stable one drop or two heat it up in a small glass jar or shot glass and try it. Make sure its 1-2 drops max.

Posted 11/18/2011
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Ok so I'm giving up on the VG. I've been tying it. It definitely works but it separates VERY fast. I tried it 1:1, VG to BHO in a cartomizer..sort of hard to taste the BHO but with big pulls you can slightly taste it. I ordered some PEG 400 to see if it is any better than the VG. I'm thinking of upping the ratio of BHO to PEG 400 to 3:1 to get the taste of the BHO to come through.

I will also be trying it with hemp oil (same ratio) to see which one tastes and vapes better but has anyone used hemp oil or another oil in a cartomizer? I don't see why it wouldn't work but I was just worried about it frying the cartomizer. The cartomizer seems to vape the 1:1 mixture of BHO to VG fine so I'm thinking a 3:1 mixture of BHO to hemp oil will work as well as this technically should still be thinner than a 1:1 of BHO to VG

I'm waiting on my tank system to arrive so for now I am trying it with cartomizers.

-Cory

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What flavorings do you suggest picking up? is there a specific type or brand that works best for this type of project? id be more than happy to try it out and report my findings sense it seems noone else has tried... ive got several patients that will only take their meds orally but are showing interest in these devices and most of them really liked the way the GMan Tasted so im just tryin to get a similar experience for them without those crappy GMan carts

Posted 11/20/2011
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Cory- If you are trying to vape a VG/Oil solution in an Omicron carto it is not going to work as there is nothing inside the carto to keep the solution "together". You'll need to use a carto that has a cotton/sponge design. In this design the mixture works quite well.

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Regarding using the "tank" system for this application, don't get your hopes up. If this solution cannot remain soluable in a glass vial after a few minutes why would one assume it won't do the same thing in a tank container?

Posted 11/20/2011
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Orion or Thc Scientific, do either of you know a way I can get some hash oil in a non alcoholic tincture that is palatable? I was given some glycerin Indica tincture that tested 22% thc, it's the only thing that makes me sleep, but the whole bottle is almost gone within less than a week. I want to make my own with some oil and understand that vegetable glycerin doesn't mix with hash oil, is there a substitute for vegetable glycerin for a tincture, or can I dissolve the hash oil in alcohol making an alcohol ticture. Then take that and heat and mix in vegetable glycerin, will that work? Since alcohol is soluble in vg and oil is soluble in alcohol. Thanks in advance, trying to make something I can take sublingually, and smoking the wax doesn't put me to sleep like that tincture.

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Sorry I'm high.

The whole reason I want vegetable glycerin is I don't want an alcohol tincture. Can It be boiled off when added to the vegetable glycerin? I don't want the sting of the alcohol, and I'm not 21, so I want to be able to drive and not worry about blowing anything over 0.00, god for saken I pulled over.

Posted 11/20/2011
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dave if you want to do a tincture that is stronger then anything, do this



1 gram of oil, 1 gram of hemp oil ( highly refined hemp oil is yellow, the green kind is good too just a lot more taste)


when you are doing oils 1 gram is equal to about 1ml.

if you start with 50% thc tested oil, your outcome will now be 25% thc total for the 2ml.

Example, if you have 500mg of thc in 1 gram of oil, you would still have 500mg of thc in 2 grams of oil.


Lets take 1 ml from this example and this would mean 250mg of thc.

1ml = 1000 ul, and each ul would contain about 0.25mg of Thc.

So if you take 10 ul of this tincture, this would mean your getting about 2.5mg

100 ul would contain about 25mg of thc. This would be just about what i think you would need if you use oils daily. Or maybe 200 ul.

so 2ml would end up giving you about 10 doses, or 20 depending on what you go with.

Now if you choose to go with higher percentage of oils, the numbers change.


With a tincture you can actually use some flavoring if the taste of the hemp oil is to much.

Plus the hemp oil is good for you because of the its contents.


Hope this helps.





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now if you really want to use VG of PG for tincture and make it so it is the strongest of all tinctures.


Here is the info you need.


1gram oil, 1 gram of vg or pg, and here is the kicker its almost pasty when done, but i dont have my notes on me on how much but start with real small amounts.

SOY LECETHIN this is a emulsifier, This will bond oil with pg/vg.

A little pasty when done but still works and is all organic.

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Does this still makes it for sublingual use and not just oral consumption? Even with the lethicin powder or whatever? Thank you very much for the info Thc, I will making some soon and let you know my results. I'm thinking the hemp oil recipe. I also read a cool honey oil honey recipe where you heat a gram of hash oil with a half cup honey and spoonful of butter. You heat it for 5 minutes and mix. But I'm more looking for sublingual use as i think it hits faster and harder than oral.

Posted 11/20/2011
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Here Dave, this outa get ya started...

Kitty is one of the best Cannabis Cooks ive ever read about, heres a great post on what your looking for

http://forum.grasscity.com/incredible-edible-herb/742831-badkats-cannapharm-canna-caps-uv-reactive-glowing-hash-candy-canna-bombs-more-24.html#post11628262

and if you want anything food related, look up her other posts on GrassCity, omg they are amazing, ive tasted a few of them and they are GOOOOOOOD

Posted 11/20/2011
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Tried filling 2 carts. 2ml tincture..5 ml water, .5 ecig juice (coconut) Blows big clouds but not vey potent, light buzz. Any suggestions?

Posted 11/20/2011
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for 2 ml of tincture you would nee no more then 400-500ul of water.

Posted 11/21/2011
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Carts were weak as fuck breh. SMH

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pretty sure he said 0.5ml of water and ejuice not 5ml, this forum is just hard to see the . in some places...

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^ exactly

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The taste was great and i was blowing huge clouds. But not very potent brehs......i took 10 rips to the face only to feel a very light buzz. Didnt help me for my pain. Any suggestions?

I used this delta nine tincture I bought at my local dispensary.

Especially with the holidays coming up, this would be ideal......i would be able to medicate discreetly at somebodys house or in my car without me smelling. Any help would be greatly apprciated breh

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Im sure that tincture will get you plenty medicated taking droppers full and putting them under your tongue to set for a little while. Me and a friend wasted money on hash and buying tincture trying to make them work in e cigs, or ivapor type e cigs. Any tincture you buy at a club, won't be strong enough, at least not for me and my friend, but that same Indica tincture puts me to sleep when taken sublingually. You need to find a stronger hash tincture, the one you and i have were made from probably shake.

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^ thats what I was thinking. Did you ever try buying some good hash oil & mixing it with with vg? If so, how did those carts compare? I just hate wasting money on something that wont be effective

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But hate paying $40 for a fuckin cartridge even more breh. SMFH

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Floatin in the same boat with ya SICC -- i really wanna get myself a formula i like so i have something for covert locations, specifically inside restraunts when i cramp up, at the molment about 19/20 times i go out to eat i have to leave either right as the food gets there (if i ate any appetizers) or about 3-4 mins into eating, i just start cramping then if possible i beg to box up and take home, i avoid going out with anyone that im not comfortable ending the night in the middle of the dinner with... it really sucks...

so i will either try mixing something up or be very careful only useing it when i have to, id rather be able to use it whenever i need which would require making my own....

hard part is not even knowing what brands are even fairly safe let alone the right choice to make, so many brands and so little true information with so mcuh misinformation between it...

still havent found an answer on quality brand flavorings (Ordered 4 flavors from Capella for $20 to try them, will be useful for candy if i dont like it for smoke atleast), need to find a quality brand for Lecithin (which "Now" brand is at top of my list right now and NOT for the ecig, smoking Lecithin is supposedly pretty bad) and Glycerin (also "Now" brand is on top unless someone comes out with a better one)

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For the lethicin and vegetable glycerin, go to a health foods store, I went looking for some vegetable glycerin and this lady gave me a bunch of information on making herbal stuff that I didn't want to hear because I was high and didn't want to tell her I was making a cannabis oil tincture.

As far as getting good hash oil and mixing it with vegetable glycerin for e cig use, or any use I have failed. There are plenty of recipes, but I personally have wasted time and money. Thc said lethicin is what will help the hash oil be soluble in glycerin, but like stated above it's not for e cig use. It also won't be as potent like your previous results because your mixing it with something, and I've heard there's only so much thc glycerin can hold, so I'm not sure you can even get that much in to make it potent in the e cig.

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There has to be a good recipe that makes em potent.......like the og girl scout cookies carts and I tried one that a patient made that was good, 3 rips and I was lit. Other than those 2, the ones ive tried making along with the ones ive bought at local dispensarys suck bad!!!!

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you dont wanna smoke Lecithin - the information was just posted in one of the other threads, the reasoning why

check this thread for explination why > https://www.stickyguide.com/forums/297

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SICC. Here is what you need, it's some of the posts THC SCientific posted last page.


@funkinpie

The formula you want to try is food grade vegetable glycerin
3 grams of glycerin to 1 gram of oil is our standard.

You can do 3 grams of glycerin to 2 grams of oil also. Hits will be reduced.

Heat up the combo while its still hot at 160f mix it real well and use a syringe with a 16 guage needle and inject it in the cartridge before it solidifies again.

Or go with the pure hash oil with the cotton inside.

Heat up the oil to 100c and use a dropper bottle and drop in 10 drops down the middle of the cotton. That will provide you with the 100 hits with cotton cartridges and it will be 100 times more potent then any glycerin formula.

hash oil and glycerin do not mix, they just mix while under heat and if someone stirs the beaker.

This is the only way you can piggy back hash oil into the cartridge through glycerin.

the process hard but its doable. You can add ecig flavoring to the glycerin or take ecig juice and mix it with hash under these conditions.

Another way to do it is just hemp oil, this way it is organic but tastes nast, you would need some flavoring.

Hempseed oil super refined ( yellow see through)

1:1 ratio 2:1 and 3:1 (Hemp oil to Hash oil) Let it sit at 140F for about 30 minutes and stir. when fully dissolved in hempseed oil just use syringe to get it into the cartridge.

Another formula you can try is this.


1 gram of extract oil

half gram of aromatherapy oil made for vaporizers, you need to make sure you know what you are doing as some oils are not made for consumption and are harmful.

Once again depends on how liquid you want it to be, you can adjust as you please.

Remember oils and vg/pg do not mix.

I think you need to be stirring the hell out of it before and while you are injecting it, and do that really fast. It's probably preferable if someone else stirs while you get the mix in the syringe to make it easier and faster. I think you can try this, but to be successful do it very fast. Thc scientific says you can also add flavoring under these conditions, idk if this helps you Ober.


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SICC, if I were you, and I was before I got an atmosrx. Either get one of those, or an Omicron. Idk if you have an e-cig, or an ivapor/gentlemens stick or something similar, but if you do trade it in for an Omicron. Your gonna be spending money trying to make this tincture and wasting oil and cartridges, you will end up saving money buying a device you can use pure oils with. Im not suggesting you do this but I did because I was broke, the cheapest way to be able to use Omicron carts is buying a atmos battery and charger and it comes out to like $65. The battery has the same output (3.7), but does not last as long as an Omicron, I think it is 650 mah and Omicron is 900 mah, I could be wrong though. If not buy an Omicron, both have 1 year warranty's on the battery. If you really want prefilled cartridges for some reason, atmos has prefilled cartridges available at dispensaries that will fit the Omicron. I'm not suggesting for you to get either one, it's just about what fits your needs. If you want the best vape possible, I'd wait for these high voltage models to come out, Im pretty anxious about them myself.

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Dave, thanks for responding breh. I have a ego and thc scientific isnt taking those as trade-in's. I will most likely get that atmos since times are tuff. At the moment tho, i have empty cartridges, tincture amd I wanna be able to make these few carts to be potent. I only have the tincture i bought at the collective at the moment, but im thinking about buying pure gold hash oil from my collective, only thing is......this kind of confuses me:

"Or go with the pure hash oil with the cotton inside"

Heat up the oil to 100c and use a dropper bottle and drop in 10 drops down the middle of the cotton. That will provide you with the 100 hits with cotton cartridges and it will be 100 times more potent then any glycerin formula.

hash oil and glycerin do not mix, they just mix while under heat and if someone stirs the beaker.

This is the only way you can piggy back hash oil into the cartridge through glycerin.

the process hard but its doable. You can add ecig flavoring to the glycerin or take ecig juice and mix it with hash under these conditions.






Basically its saying drop straight hash oil inside the cartridge right? What about if i just drop 10 drops of tincture into the cartridge? Od do you recommend me just buying the best hash oil I can find and dropping 10 drops just like that?

Posted 11/23/2011
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Thc scientific, what are the best cartomizers for the 10 drops of pure hash oil? Is he more likely to get a burned cotton taste this way? I have no experience with this, but maybe those dual coil cartomizers, maybe not because it will burn, idk.